Focus Groups are Dead: An Interview with Mike Volpe, HubSpot CMO

Mike Volpe

Mike Volpe, Chief Marketing Officer of HubSpot

Editor’s Note:  I recently attended the Social Media FTW (For the Win) conference where HubSpot‘s Chief Marketing Officer, Mike Volpe was a keynote speaker.  During his talk, Mike contrasted the analytics HubSpot gives marketers with traditional feedback, using focus groups as an example.  I caught up with Mike afterward to get his further perspectives on market research and marketing. 

Dana Stanley: For those who don’t know, could you please give a quick overview of what HubSpot does for marketers? In particular, how does it help with marketing analytics?

Mike Volpe: HubSpot is an all-in-one marketing software platform. Rather than using one tool for blogging, another tool for social media marketing, a different tool for landing pages, yet another tool for email marketing, some other tool for marketing automation and yet an additional system for marketing analytics, HubSpot combines all of that into one.

This is powerful for marketers for two reasons: first, you have one hub to manage all of your marketing which is faster and easier, and second, you can easily measure and analyze things across all these different marketing tools. For instance, HubSpot gives you closed loop marketing analytics, so you can link it to your CRM system and know not only how many web visitors you got from social media, but also how many of them became a lead and how many of those leads converted into customers. Or, you could measure how many of your leads that became customers visited a specific web page on your website or used certain functionality in your mobile app, etc.

DS: In your recent keynote at Social Media FTW, you said, “Focus groups are dead.” Can you tell me what you meant by that?

MV: Of course “dead” is strong language meant to invite a response and dialog. Focus groups still have their place, however they are much less useful or attractive today for two reasons.

First, the low cost availability of other ways of gathering information about your market and customers. You can listen to what they say in social media, you can read the reviews they write. You can analyze how they actually use your website. You can see the videos and blogs they post about your products.

Second, I think the information you can get today is a more accurate view into your customers, because it is based on their actual behavior, not how they answer questions in an unfamiliar room with 5 strangers. I’ll take the status update that someone wrote from the couch in the comfort of their own home as more accurate than the comment they made in a focus group room when they are given a $100 gift card to show up.

DS: Your company has been on an impressive growth path. How does HubSpot take stock of and incorporate feedback from customers and prospects?

MV: We get feedback in a number of different ways. We conduct usability sessions where we have someone use the product online while we watch and they talk us through what they are doing, we have discussion forums for customers that we monitor, we get feedback from the sales team on what people say when they they demo the product, we have usage monitoring built into the product that gives us reports about what customers do and don’t do in the product, we have ideas.hubspot.com where customers can submit ideas to make the product better, we visit HUG (HubSpot User Group) meetings and we regularly survey the customers as well.

DS: What do you envision market research will be like in the future?

I think it will allow for faster and cheaper insights and more witnessing of actual real life activity, not simulated activity.

Sentiment Analysis Firm Metavana’s New CMO, Romi Mahajan: An Interview

Romi Mahajan

Romi Mahajan

Romi Mahajan is a well-known technology marketing speaker and expert; he serves on a variety of advisory boards and speaks at over a dozen industry events per year.  He most recently served as the Worldwide Director of Sales and Strategy for the Digital Marketing and Search team at Microsoft.  Prior to Microsoft, Romi was founder of the KKM Group and served as CMO of Ascentium Group.  
Romi is also one of the founders of Research Access, and he has been a vital contributor to the online conversation about marketing and research.

Dana Stanley: Congratulations on your new position as CMO of Metavana. You’ve been a regular contributor to Research Access in the past, and I hope your new responsiblities will allow time for some continued guest posting!

For those who might not be familiar with Metavana, could you please take a moment to explain what the company does?

Romi Mahajan: Dana, writing for Research Access has been such a joy that I hope you allow me to continue to offer an opinion here and there!

I’m excited about my new role as CMO of Metavana, precisely because I believe we can make a real dent in reality with this company and really serve customers and the industry.

Metavana is at its essence a sentiment engine. What this means is that our engine can parse and make meaning of the geometrically-growing and unstructured/emotional content on the Social Web. We want to help redefine the Voice of the Customer and move it into the mainstream of business planning.

DS:  There are increasingly more companies these days in what’s come to be called the field of Sentiment Analysis. I understand Metavana has some unique ways of analyzing, scoring and packaging web sentiment. Could you give us a sense of the scientific principles used in Metavana analysis?

RM: Metavana attempts to solve a tough problem that is governed by the following 4 connected notions:

  1. The Social Web is truly the “Big Data” Web. There are 250 million tweets a day and 800,000 Facebook posts an hour.  And so on…
  2. The content on the Social Web is unstructured, asyntactic, often ungrammatical, and emotion — versus ordered, clear, factual data. It’s chaos; the tower of Babel writ large.
  3. The Social Web is always-on- 24/7/365 and is worldwide.
  4. Despite all of this, the Social Web reveals important truths about each of our brands….

We believe this is not a smart engineering problem but is really a physics and non-linear math problem. That is what we’ve based our algorithms on.

DS: It wasn’t that long ago that market research was considered to be surveys and focus groups – and that’s all. How do you think Sentiment Analysis – and Metavana in particular – fits into the overall market research picture?

RM: Look, market research has its place in the world but has not quite risen to the challenge of the Internet and Social Age. Market research tends to be episodic, one-off, and sequestered in the organization. Further, market research often lacks timeliness and context. Sentiment analysis (and Metavana by extension) change this by helping organizations understand the Voice of the Customer in real-time and in the real context (emotional, etc.) — that is what will define the next phase in the market research evolution. I believe in market research and want it to shine and have its rightful place.

DS: How will you use analytics and research in your role as CMO of an exciting internet company?

RM: Beautiful question, and I won’t sugar-coat. We’ll analytics and research in the company to determine market sizing, the “nature of the beast” we are trying to slay, and what customers and partners feel and think. But in a startup you go with gut often and you hope that decades of collective wisdom are brought to bear to do the right thing!

A Social Media Marketer’s Take on Market Research

Elijah R. Young

Elijah Young

I experienced Elijah Young’s keynote session on blogging and social media at the Social Media FTW (“For the Win”) Fall conference in September.

‘Experienced’ is the right word, because Elijah is such a dynamic and engaging speaker, simply saying ‘saw’ or ‘listened to’ would not due justice to the feeling of energy in the room.  Elijah inspired and motivated people to blog while giving plenty of practical tips and infusing the talk with lots of humor.

In short, he was a big hit.

Elijah is the co-founder of Fandura, a company that creates social web pages and applications for businesses of all types.  He is an expert in a wide range of topics, from social media to application development to entrepreneurship.  He graciously agreed to an interview with me.

DS:  Many of our readers are market researcher entrepreneurs looking to promote their businesses online.  Social media and online marketing can seem like an overwhelming time-suck.  What activities would you advise people looking to market their businesses online to focus on?

EY:  I think a lot of entrepreneurs start with deciding they will use social media, then try to find their customer on those platforms.  In my opinion that’s backwards.  You have to find out where your client is online (if they’re online at all) and then go where they are.

As researchers, I’m sure your readers know that some of the best tidbits of information can be found in an old journal, or some resource that may not be available online yet, and your customers are the same way.

One example I used when I owned a social-type company was that we needed to attract a customer base, but the “in” thing to do was to advertise on social media. In my opinion that’s like being a track and field coach looking for new people to train at the Olympics.  We found that there was a freelance site that had an untapped (at least by US providers) market for people looking to jump into that market, and we were able to take advantage of that entire market, hungry for a provider, by ourselves with little or no competition until we had already created a brand name for ourselves.

We decided to focus on customers who we knew would pay first, because I have a philosophy that you’re not a business if you’re not making revenue.  It may take a while to find out where the people in your market that want to spend money TODAY are, but it’s always worth the effort if you can find them, because your competitors are busy fighting over the low hanging fruit.

DS:  Your company develops mobile applications, including games. One of the hot topics in market research is gamification – that is, making it more fun for survey-takers to share information with us by adding game elements to the way we collect data. What do you think?

EY:  Everybody likes a good experience, and people are inherently competitive, so “gamification” works alot of times. My only concern is that people rely too much on making their system into a game, and they start to forget about the core thing they wanted from the user in the first place.

For example, I’m all for researchers getting users excited about taking part in a “game-style” version of a survey, but think about how that will affect the info that you get from the user.  Will you get a survey skewed by the users emotion, will they be distracted by the gameplay and just blast through the survey to get to the next game-style moment?

I think a lot of entrepreneurs get excited about the bells and whistles and tend to forget about the core, and staying true to your core sometimes means skipping out on all of the fluff.

DS:  How does Fandura make use of research?

EY:  I love research, but I think that tons of businesses miss what I call “free research moments”.  At Fandura we really focus on every question that a customer asks during the sales process, because that’s free market research.

Every question we answer gets turned into an educational piece of marketing material, every stumbling block we encounter gets turned inot a resource guide.  It’s a simple philosophy of, “our clients are more alike than different”, so we think they will ask the same questions, and go through the same troubles from project to project.

If we pay attention to those free research moments, we don’t have to worry about what our competitors are doing.  In our industry, the customer is never educated, and by having the largest library of education at their fingertips, it gives us two advantages:  One, we’ll get to build better customers, more knowledgeable and better equipped to avoid getting into a negative relationship with a developer, and two, we get to frame what a positive relationship looks like.  So with our educational library, we now become the measuring stick that potential clients use when they talk to other developers, and we’ll take that bet every time.

Note:  Elijah Young writes for the Fandura Blog, and he can also be found on Social Media Examiner.  You can follow him on Twitter at @ElijahRYoung.

The Physical and The Digital

Marketing Punters and Pundits alike make stupid predictions.  One of the most laughable of late was the prediction of the early demise of “physical” Marketing- it will all be digital, in the ether, non-corporeal the big-thinkers said.

And like the seers of a “paperless office,” they were dead wrong.

Case in point is a superb piece of Marketing that just crossed my desk today.  The sexy brand Ferrari built their website on Microsoft’s Sharepoint for Internet Sites (FIS) platform, as have thousands of other companies.  Seeing an opportunity, Austin-based Catapult Systems decided to build a Practice out of planning, developing and maintaining websites built on FIS; in order to drive (excuse the pun) the business forward, they decided to do a Marketing campaign leveraging the Ferrari brand in a smart, fun way.

They sent a physical mailer with a nice Ferrari keychain attached.  A VIN number was etched on the keychain.  With simple text, the physical mailer drove (there we go again) folks to a website where one can watch a very simple-yet-compelling video about Sharepoint FIS and how Catapult systems can help companies engage their customers with the Sharepoint technology.  After watching the video, one had to register (with only a few information fields.)

And guess what?  No matter what happens, you get to keep the keychain (and who doesn’t love Ferrari products!)

In one fell swoop, the consumer got a very compelling digital and physical experience.

Now, I’m not trying to stump for Catapult; that’s not my intent or the intent of this blog.  But I do want to heap praise where praise is due.

But more than that, I want to share a bias with you all- I still love physical marketing.  A good giveaway is as compelling as any website.

So throwaway the bathwater but keep that gorgeous and gurgling baby!

[Editor's Note: This post originally appeared on our sister site, MarketingAccess.com]

Early Demises: Why Zealotry around Digital Hurts Marketing

It is NOT all about digital. I swear I read that somewhere in a magazine. Or, maybe, I saw it on TV. Not sure, but I do know that Marketing is a many-splendored thing and shouldn’t be cast as narrowly as it has been of late.

This piece is an admonition not a statement of nullification.  But we need to make it clear that Marketing is still about the “mix” and about “context.”  So the intended audience is those of you who are in “digitally zealous” mode – head out of orifice please!

My favorite piece of Marketing over the past 5 years has to do with the TSA. Yes the Transportation Safety Administration. No, not their cool outfits.  No, not their incredible customer-service. And not the **** probes either.  Instead, I love the trays. Because Zappos “owned” them for a long time and it made sense: advertising shoes where you put your, well, shoes.

Nothing like a captive audience, already immersed in “context.”

I have to admit I still believe in magazines too. While I think there are serious considerations around the environment that might militate against the growth of the magazine base in general, I still subscribe to no less than 10 magazines. In many ways, I still have a bias towards what I call the “burden of authorship” which characterizes the print editorial process. Because of that, I pay more attention to the advertisements in magazines because I find the surrounding content valuable.

And so on. You get the point.

Look, I embrace digital too – when it makes sense. The possibilities unmasked by the digital media are fantastic: measurement, quick-revolution, interactivity, deep experiential value, and so on. Wow. Because of these, it’s easy to get sucked into that world and to think “Digital is everything.”  It’s easy to get sucked into religion as well but so far I’ve steadfastly avoided that as well.

Because zealotry of any fashion hurts the whole.

So as Marketers, let’s reintroduce ourselves to our complex and wonderful craft.

In all its forms.

[Editor's Note: This post originally appeared on our sister site, MarketingAccess.com]

Advocacy and Action

All companies have a wide range of customers: those who dislike their products and services, those who are indifferent, and those who are raving fans. Most companies try to understand their customers’ feedback so as to improve business; some do so in a very lightweight fashion and others do it rigorously, employing complex listening systems and teams to sift through data. While these efforts are laudable, most companies overlook an important area of action – igniting their advocates to graduate from zealous fans to “virtual” sales people.

It’s understandable why companies miss this so often – because it’s not trivial to operationalize and make work. Luckily, it’s become a lot easier than it ever was.  That’s the message I got in a fertile discussion I had with the CEO of Zuberance, Rob Fuggetta. A former partner at Regis-McKenna, Rob built Zuberance to help customers understand that they have a huge asset in their advocate base and that they have to make use of this asset in the here and now.

Put simply, they have to take the potential energy and make it kinetic.

As I understand it, Zuberance is a web-based software suite that allows a marketer to, very simply, identify, manage, and energize the company’s advocates.

Pretty exciting stuff for an old hand at customer-satisfaction work. What got me really pumped up is my own (bad) experiences with programs like NPS (Net Promoter Score). The idea is brilliant but the execution against the idea is usually poor because most companies don’t do a good job actually capitalizing on the data they collect and rarely create programs that impel their advocates to take the next step.

The MR and VOTC communities have a vested interest in seeing their work operationalized and institutionalized.

Companies like Zuberance can help them.

Determining Price: The van Westendorp Price Sensitivity Meter

Determining the best price for a product or service is a common marketing research question.  I usually start my conversation with a client asking whether their product has all of its features set or if they also need to test a range of features other than price.  If they are testing variable features in addition to price, we start to talk about conjoint (see here for a video on the current state of affairs in conjoint).  However, if they tell me that their product features are set and they just want to look at price, one of the things we’ll likely discuss is the van Westendorp Price Sensitivity Meter (let’s just call it VW).

I was recently corresponding with a colleague (Dave Lyon of Aurora Market Modeling) and the discussions led me to look back at the original VW paper (Peter H. van Westendorp (1976), “NSS – Price Sensitivity Meter (PSM) – A New Approach to Consumer Perception of Prices,” in Venice Congress Main Sessions. Amsterdam: European Marketing Research Society (ESOMAR), 139-167.)  In my conversations with Dave, one of the issues that arose was the way many modern researchers calculate the point of marginal cheapness.  Are most researchers incorrectly calculating VW’s outputs?  What might van Westendorp himself say about this?  How about a little background before going into this point?
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Does Influence Really Matter?

Author’s Note: This article originally appeared on the AMEX Open Forum blog —  I wrote it to get people to seriously think about authority and influence.

I’ve been thinking a lot about influence lately.  It seems that I’m not the only one.  Influence isn’t just for celebrities any more.  Small business has gotten into the game as well.  Mike Michalowicz wrote an article that talked about how you can grow your business by connecting with influencers.  And Guy Kawasaki gives us a real life example of  how you can create a path for influencing behavior by setting up an environment for easy compliance.

Why Influencers Matter to Small Business?

Influencers matter to your small business in the same way that segmentation matters to your marketing message – they simplify and cut the cost of communicating to large groups of people.

We’ve been conditioned to think of celebrities as influencers because a single mention from them can set product sales soaring.  During the times of network media domination, small businesses rarely got to participate in this kind of promotion.  But the advent of new media with its wide reaching social networks has suddenly made it possible (even easy) for small businesses to reach their target audience by investing their time rather than money.
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In Praise of Progressive Government Policy

Gentle reader on the right (or left) – please don’t get turned off by the title of this post. This is not meant to be a discussion on the value of liberal or conservative government policies at large.

I refer instead to the forward thinking work that some local government bodies are doing in adopting technology toward public good. One case in point is the work that we’re doing with the City of Redmond, WA as they roll out solutions that help reach their mobile citizens in an effort to manage people’s commutes better and reduce carbon footprints.

I run a digital marketing agency that focuses on combining rich creative with smart technology solutions for our customers. We partner closely with Microsoft on several fronts including with the Microsoft Tag team. Nayamode has powered some of the largest 2D barcode scanning based campaigns worldwide over the last year or so including for customers such as Conde-Nast and Compass Group. However, when we got a chance to work with the City of Redmond to power a local program to educate, inform and influence behavior of citizens as relates to commuting options, we jumped at it.
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Gamification in Outbound Marketing

A quick follow-up to our post at the end of last week about Zynga and their shopping spree: We read this morning about Zynga’s partnership with DreamWorks Animation to promote the studio’s new movie, Kung Fu Panda 2. This is an important reminder about the scale that gamification has already reached, not just in the sphere of inbound market research, but equally impressively within the world of outbound marketing programs.

TechCrunch has the story:
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